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Woodward Talks About Biden & Clinton Changing Places for 2012

September 30, 2010

I know that this should be filed under the tag “largely baseless rumors” but hey, I can dream, can’t I? [yes, Stacy, you can!)

And of course, everyone is talking about this poll.

For some reason the volume cuts out at the very end of the video.

I picked up Woodward’s latest book “Obama’s Wars” but haven’t cracked it open yet. I’m kind of worried that there will be things in it that will make me even more demoralized with the current state of politics (and yes, the Democrats).

UPDATE: Embedding has been disabled but if you click “watch on youtube” in the middle of the screen after you press play then it takes you directly to the video on youtube. I’m going to see if I can find another copy that works on this site.

14 Comments leave one →
  1. rachel permalink
    September 30, 2010 6:26 pm

    The video is not working for me😦

    • September 30, 2010 6:30 pm

      oops, they disabled embedding. But if you click after the message about embedding being disabled (it says ‘watch on youtube’) then you can see it but it will redirect you to youtube.

      I’ll try to find a copy I can embed in the meantime.

  2. Carolyn-Rodham permalink
    September 30, 2010 6:39 pm

    Woodward’s being a little cagey about his own opinion about an Obama/Clinton ticket in 2012, isn’t he? (“It’s interesting,” “It’s being talked about”) but one senses he is not a great fan of Hillary’s!

    The poll was surprising to me — I would have expected more support for a Clinton candidacy in 2012, but then again, pragmatically speaking, Democrats probably believe (correctly, I think) that another highly contentious battle for the Democratic nomination in 2012 would simply have the effect of handing the Republicans a victory in the general election on a silver platter. Think about it — Hillary would have to spend months hammering away at Obama’s faults and shortcomings, as Kennedy did with Carter (and we all know how THAT general election ended). So when you think about it in that way, maybe it’s actually surprising that as many as a third of Democrats would still vote for her over the sitting President!

    • September 30, 2010 7:28 pm

      Woodward is being pretty cagey- hedging his bets. And lets be honest, with Woodward, it’s all about Woodward. Nonetheless, I found it interesting that his feeling that there could be a 2012 switch between Hillary and Biden made it into his book.

      As for the poll, I agree with you- when you consider that a direct challenge to a sitting POTUS could possibly tear apart the democratic party, to the benefit of the GOP, the poll results are striking.

      As much as I’d like to see Hillary at the top of the 2012 ticket, I don’t think she would launch a direct challenge to a sitting POTUS. I think she’s very loyal to the party and there is nothing about her life in politics or current demeanor or comments that makes me think this is in the works. If Obama decided not to run, that would be one thing. As for a switch with Biden, I think that would be great and I think she is maybe the one person who, ironically, could save an Obama second term.

      I’ll admit that I am conflicted about all of this though because I am a wee bit suspicious when I hear much (but not all) of the “Hillary will challenge Obama in 2012” talk coming from conservative blogs and Fox News.

      Oh and by the way- can I vent? If Obama wants the progressive base to vote for dems in midterms and in 2012 might I suggest that he stops talking to us like we’re 12 yrs old? When I hear he and Biden lecture the base I feel like, as Gloria Steinem once said “a sitting dog being told to sit.” Reasonable people can disagree about whether The Left has good reason to be miffed with all his un-kept promises, but the idea that you energize your base by repeatedly insulting them and laying on huge guilt trips, really doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. It’s really not a top notch get-out-the-vote strategy at this point. He’s being a bit entitled and methinks that now that the afterglow of the election has dimmed, he is not used to having people challenge his vision, his veracity and his motives.

      He better put on his big-boy britches and toughen up!

  3. Carolyn-Rodham permalink
    September 30, 2010 6:44 pm

    For what it’s worth, the Politico44 story reported the Gallup poll revealed that 32% of Dems would support Hillary for the nomination in 2012. The actual figure was 37% (or as we Clintonistas like to say, alomst 40%!).

    • PYW permalink
      September 30, 2010 10:58 pm

      Hillary is not going to challenge Obama in 2012, but I think support from 37 percent of Dems is still pretty high. It shows a level of disenchantment with Obama within the party.

    • HillaryFan permalink
      October 1, 2010 7:39 am

      That’s a big number all things considered and it shows how annoyed democrats in general are with Obama. The honeymoon ended a long time ago about the time when people realized he his progressive talk was a bunch of lies to try to peel progressive voters away from Hillary.

  4. Terry permalink
    September 30, 2010 8:20 pm

    The Democratic Party has got to start thinking about a successor to Obama and no one but Clinton would fill the bill at this point. No one even comes close. But after her defeat to Obama and some of the backroom nastiness that went on during the primaries I wouldn’t want her to go through that hell again unless the Party assures her the nomination is in the bag. Making her the VP during the next term might be a sign they are thinking in those terms. I will be retired by 2016 and would gladly work fulltime for her candidacy. The administration might very well lose her talents sometime in the next four years or even sooner because the Secy of State spot is a grueling jet lag workhorse kind of position that burns people up. You have to nurture talent not just use it up and I think she needs a rest. Can you imagine year after year of dealing with enigmatic, inscrutable and obfuscating diplomats on a daily basis and not almost losing your mind. Just imagine having to wait while speaking for the translation of everything you say to come through the earphones. Its got to cramp you style a bit and make you crazy. I would be absolutely starved for a little American straight talk and rapid dialog. It has been too long since we have had her wisdom on domestic policy and both the House and Senate need her stump talent to rally the troops in the next cycle of elections after 2012. I wasn’t sure it was right for her to leave the Senate when she did but the shape that institution is in now I think she would be wasting her time if she still was there. She was right to move on, that part of the Congress is stuck on hold.

    At the same time she could retire tomorrow and still be as famous and influencial as ever and could easily become a king or queen maker if she chose. Bill is no longer a liability (I never thought he was) and I was wondering just today “would we be in the same economic mess we are in today if a Clinton was in the White House?” We haven’t seen as formidable a political couple as Bill and Hillary Clinton since Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt.

  5. HillaryFan permalink
    October 1, 2010 7:37 am

    As much as I would love Hillary to run in 2012, I think the people who are trying to “draft” her for a presidential run then are being unrealistic and quite honestly, selfish. Let Hillary decide if she wants to run don’t put this kind of pressure on her! If she were to launch a hostile challenge because that is how it would be viewed by most to Obama then people would just say “see, told you so, those Clintons will do anything for power even if it means tearing apart the Democratic Party.”

    I’ve read pretty much everything out there about Hillary Clinton’s career- both the good and the bad books about her, books about the 2008 election and her autobiography. As Stacy said, she is unbelievably loyal to the Democratic party and while that may annoy some, I don’t see that changing. To assume she would risk ripping apart the party in a way that may let one of these extremist GOP wingnuts get control of the Oval Office just isn’t giving her enough credit!

    • rachel permalink
      October 1, 2010 8:59 am

      I agree with a lot of what you said, and she just may want to retire she has given her pound of flesh times 10 to this country.

      • PCFS permalink
        October 1, 2010 10:13 am

        The DNC was not nice to her in 2008. That said, It’s really her choice not ours. I believe she will retire and maybe work with Bill at the Clinton Foundation. Many things change as the months go by so who knows really. But in the end it’s her choice.

    • PYW permalink
      October 1, 2010 10:37 am

      Well said. To speculate that she would challenge Obama in 2012 is an insult to her, because she’s as loyal as they come.

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