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TGIF: May 20th Appointments for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

May 20, 2011

Well doesn’t this sound fun ;):

SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

12:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton joins President Obama’s bilateral meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, at the White House.

And while everybody’s heads explode because President Obama dared to mention 1967 borders yesterday- borders that are only a starting point and which clearly allow for land swaps/settlements to remain in place- this article appeared today in Haaretz:

As Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu begins his state visit to the United States, several senior cabinet ministers are preparing to take part in the inauguration of a new neighborhood in East Jerusalem.

Interior Minister Eli Yishai, Education Minister Gideon Sa’ar, Environmental Protection Minister Gilad Erdan, and Science and Technology Minister Daniel Hershkowitz, as well as Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin and Jerusalem mayor Nir Barkat are all set to participate next week in a festive ceremony celebrating Ma’aleh Hazeitim, a Jewish compound in the heart of the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Ras al-Amud.

[snip]

The neighborhood, along with other projects in Ras al-Amud, is seen as a strategic asset by the Israeli right wing, as it makes creating a Palestinian corridor between the Old City and the West Bank more difficult. Such a corridor was discussed in earlier negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.

Ma’aleh Hazeitim is intended to house 110 families, and another neighborhood, Ma’aleh David, is meant to be built alongside it at a later date. Once the two are linked, they will house more than 200 families and become the single largest Jewish settlement in East Jerusalem.

Where’s the media, lobby outrage over this story? No, Bibi’s supporters here in the U.S. want us all to believe any hiccup in relations between the US and Israel is all the fault of the administration- naturally, nothing is Bibi’s fault.

We can talk about 1967 borders but as we speak, Israel is changing the facts on the ground so as to make 1967 irrelevant- they are trying to ensure that E. Jerusalem is never transferred to the Palestinians and that contiguous Palestinian borders will be impossible, 1967 or no 1967. But where’s the outrage at this bold, illegal attempt to predetermine the outcome of any final settlement? So perhaps you will pardon me for not buying into all the post-speech hand-wringing and pearl-clutching currently taking place in the media, among the right wing here in the U.S. and among the status-quo Israel lobby.

17 Comments leave one →
  1. Steve permalink
    May 20, 2011 8:12 am

    Thank goodness that Jews in Israel are by far more reasonable that my community in this country and particular in my hometown of NYC:

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/jews-are-dishonored-by-a-blind-defense-of-israel-1.362926

    Until the Jewish community speaks out against this pro-Israel McCarthyism we are going to look like the hypocrites we are.

  2. Tovah permalink
    May 20, 2011 8:51 am

    If Obama had agreed to bomb Gaza and drive the Palestinians into Jordan, Syria and Egypt, Bibi would still find something to kvetch about.

    Rather than running around screaming the sky is falling, the NYT and likudniks should be celebrating the fact that Obama basically closed the door on a right of return because that’s what it means when a US official demands the Palestinians recognize the JEWISH state of Israel as opposed to just recognizing Israel. In addition, the media should also start admitting that Bibi has once again revealed he’s not the slightest bit interested in two states.

  3. stacyx permalink*
    May 20, 2011 9:01 am

    I’d like to make a suggestion-

    Since the reaction to Obama’s speech has been predictable, swift and fierce, those of us that care about this issue and support the administration’s attempts at prodding both sides to the negotiating table should write/call their members of Congress and the WH- you can be damn sure the status quo Israel Lobby has already got the Presidents ear on this- they are much, much more organized than the pro-peace lobby.

    I’d also respectfully suggest that in writing a letter, one make clear one’s support for Israel and reinforce that the 1967 borders with land swaps is in Israel’s interest if they want a lasting peace. It also is important for US national security. For those that happen to be part of the Jewish community, you might want to fit that in their somewhere too, since the conventional wisdom is that the Jewish community supports Bibi over the POTUS- that perception has to be rebutted but it can only be rebutted by the Jewish community and in particular, Jewish democrats.

    • Tovah permalink
      May 20, 2011 9:10 am

      That’s a very reasonable, good suggestion. As you said earlier in the week the squeaky wheel gets the grease and given the WSJ article you highlighted yesterday, you are right that Jewish democrats need to stand up and support Obama and Hillary’s attempt to achieve peace- they’ve worked hard for two years and we’ve done very little to support them. It’s rather infuriating actually.

    • elhrac permalink
      May 20, 2011 10:23 am

      Israel is not going to commit suicide just to make Obama and Hitlery happy.

      • May 20, 2011 10:35 am

        I’ll ignore the fact that you are not interested in reasoned discussion and just say that Obama and Hillary are actually trying to ensure Israel’s long-term security.

        But by all means, use your cute play on words and insults to hide the fact that you don’t really have a grasp on the issue.

      • May 20, 2011 10:49 am

        Israel is not going to commit suicide just to make Obama and Hillary (spelling it Hitlery is childish)happy. Come up with a more mature explanation.

      • Thain permalink
        May 20, 2011 10:49 am

        @elhrac- oh yeah, because mentioning 1967 borders as a framework is TOTALLY just like what Hitler did.

        Honestly, no wonder our foreign policy is so screwed up when so many people react this way?

        I think a big problem is that because Israel is allowed to continue building settlements they have no incentive to create two states. If all settlement building had to stop tomorrow they would realize that the occupation had to end. This is why contrary to what the I-Lobby says, settlements ARE an obstacle to peace.

        The galling part is that Bibi can flip the US president the bird and then he and all his loyalists in this country will still demand money, weapons, total diplomatic cover etc. Again I ask: what has Israel done for us lately?

        Where’s my wife btw?

        • May 20, 2011 12:58 pm

          Your wife? Good lord.

          Did you hear that Carolyn, you’re being summoned!

        • Carolyn-Rodham permalink
          May 20, 2011 1:01 pm

          Here, dear! One of us has to bring home the bacon, ya know!

          I’d love to see AIPAC throw their support behind Sarah Palin or whatever pathetic candidate the Republicans out up against Obama, and then watch as American Jews go, “Huh? Wha? Uhh, seriously? Palin?”

  4. Thain permalink
    May 20, 2011 11:08 am

    This guy is unbelievable:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-shmuley-boteach/obama-at-aipac-let-the-fu_b_864585.html

    Did it ever occur to some in the Jewish community that the President of the United States has a responsibility to put U.S. interests before the wants and whims of ANY foreign country. Honestly I hate to say it but I am starting to think the dual loyalty charge is right on. AIPAC is an unregistered agent of a foreign country- it used to have to register as a foreign agent but ironically thanks to lobbying by the Jewish community, it now doesn’t have to.

    Maybe the thousands of people who attend the upcoming AIPAC conference should ask themselves whether they support US national security? Or are they more interested in what Israel wants? Americans can disagree about foreign policy but the idea that the only way to show support for Israel is to blindly support anything any random Israeli leader wants, no matter how extreme or right wing, makes no sense.

    But when bibi takes the stage at AIPAC it will become clear which leader has their loyalty.

    AIPAC actually had to send out an email telling their members not to boo the POTUS, you know, the guy that oversaw the biggest increase in aid to Israel, iron dome, UN veto of settlement condemnation etc. Unbelievable.

  5. May 20, 2011 1:00 pm

    The Obama admin. is “furious” at Bibi for making a huge deal about the 1967 reference. I agree with them that people are being disingenuous and totally ignoring the part about “mutually agreed upon land swaps” or something to that effect. In other words, Israel will be able to keep it’s largest illegal settlements.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0511/Furious_at_Bibi.html?showall

  6. Carolyn-Rodham permalink
    May 20, 2011 1:26 pm

    I’ve read in several places that even adamently pro-Israel friends-of-Bibi types were taken aback by the language of Bibi’s response to the Obama speech — specifically, that he outlined what he “expects” to hear from Obama today, as if he’s in a position to dictate to Obama what Obama should say and do. These commentators made the point that publicly dissing the President will only have the effect of rallying Americans — even pro-Israel FOB’s such as themselves — to the President’s side.

    I think Obama has played this brilliantly, and Netanyahu is left with his mouth hanging open, looking stupid, like a fish washed up on the beach (apologoies to our fishy friends).

    And stacy, nobody but nobody summons me….unless of course, you want to!

    • May 20, 2011 1:51 pm

      Yes, I’ve heard a little bit of that too. From FOB Jeffrey Goldberg:

      http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/05/dear-mr-netanyahu-please-dont-speak-to-my-president-that-way/239199/

      That should be the response of more people. I actually read last night that Bibi planned to “demand” Obama retract what he said. I thought “demand?”

      I did read a good commentary somewhere that the main reason Obama did this was to head off European recognition of a Palestinian state in September- they thought it was the only way to prevent EU states from recognizing Palestine. Here’s the bad part about that- it could mean that the admin. just said what they did about 1967 to get them past September without a train wreck taking place at the UN.

      I love how Bibi called Hillary yesterday morning to try to get her to get the 1967 line struck from the speech (I guess Bibi had a copy?) and was furious that she wouldn’t- apparently that’s part of the reason Obama was late for the speech. Only Israel would pull a stunt like that.

      BTW, Bibi, Hillary and Obama are meeting right now- I’d love to be a fly in the wall.

  7. May 20, 2011 2:31 pm

    Oh look, now the number of settlements that were approved in East Jerusalem yesterday is roughly 1500. From the WaPo

    As Obama spoke, an Israeli government committee approved the construction of more than 1,500 new homes in Jewish neighborhoods in East Jerusalem, whose 1967 annexation by Israel is not internationally recognized. The plan provoked condemnation from Palestinians and defiance from hard-line Israelis.

    “Jerusalem is not up for negotiation and will not be divided,” said Yair Gabbai, a member of Netanyahu’s Likud party who serves on the committee that approved the housing.

    And Yay!:

    Obama, adopting a more assertive posture advocated by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and a handful of other key advisers, declared bluntly that the “status quo is unsustainable” and the need for progress on a peace settlement “more urgent than ever.”

    That is music to my ears!

    • Carolyn-Rodham permalink
      May 20, 2011 3:31 pm

      Yes! Hillary, you rock!

  8. January 24, 2013 7:37 pm

    I think she is really pretty. Hillary I mean. Especially for her age.

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